What nation you admire the most?

So my post was, in retrospect, a little more heated than was called for. For that, I apologize.

But that does not change the fact that Korea and Japan have more reasons to continue stronger relations with China than with the U.S.
Cultural: China has always had the two countries in its sphere of cultural influence. The two countries have borrowed much from China. Their writing systems, their language, etc. were based on China's. Therefore, they will always be culturally tied to China and recieve this influence.

Economic: Both countries have greater amounts of trade done with China than with the U.S.
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Political: Given that China is so close to the two countries and that in every other way, they are tied to China, China will have great influence on their politics, even if they are democracies.

Edit: Short on time right now, I'll flush this out more later.

A UNITED JAPAN AND KOREA!!![/quote:317tlblc]
An excellent proposal!

So I asked this question in my A.P world history today and i was kinda disappointed in being wrong but now i believe that in most if not all situations the Japanese or Koreans will go to China then America roughly 9 out of 10 times Because of trade as pointed out and because of the culture and economies of the nations. To as such i agree with you now, tough i do believe there will still be alot of problems with going to China tough it appears they will.

Sucks i was wrong, tough i didn't know anything about the current topic on hand as such im glad i learned something.

Shit I was about to say that.

Aww its not that bad. At least you genuinely didn't know. That, I can say that I am guilty of myself sometimes. My concern was that you just might be a gung-ho [a Chinese term adopted by the Americans btw] American who was just being stubborn. But you just didn't know. No harm, no foul, as the Americans say.

Dear God Imperial, you not only parade around with your baseless theories about Korean-American relations and Sino-Korean Americans, but you present it as fact without even a shred of evidence. I generally don't peruse the Historical section, but now I see why it's unwise to leave you unchecked.

First off, Korean opinion of America is ridiculously high. A Pew study in 2010 came up with this graph of popular opinions of America in several countries, the ROK included:

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As you can see, Koreans absolutely adore us.

Next, you claim that Korea is closer to China than to the US, which is absolute malarkey. For one, NOBODY willingly aligns themselves with China, because they know that that relationship is parasitic and undemocratic. While there certainly is a lot of trade between South Korea and China, there's absolutely no popular support for China coming from the Koreans, for the very same reason you claim they despise Americans: Koreans like democracy. Another study conducted in 2008 by Korean political scientist Aie-Rie Lee found that, "[In] Korean citizens' evaluations of government performance, noneconomic or political factors (e.g., freedom of speech, human rights) rather than economic factors matter in shaping mass attitudes."

Not only is public opinion against the Chinese, but Korean public policy has been overwhelmingly in favor of containing Chinese influence in East Asia, in a similar but unilateral way to the US-Japan alliance's strategy (Kim, 2010).

In other words, your fantasy about Korea being best buds with China is totally unfounded in reality. If you're going to stir up controversy over your own fantasies, the very least you could do is to ATTEMPT to back up your argument with facts. But honestly, I can't even gather how you came up with this nonsense other than just believing what you want to believe, because your position is not only opposite to that in the literature, but it's not even found in the literature.

Kim, Sung Eun. "How Publics Feel toward the Rise of China: A Comparative Study of Public Opinion in Japan, South Korea and the United States." Conference Papers -- International Studies Association (2010): 1. Academic Search Premier. EBSCO. Web. 26 Oct. 2011.
Lee, Aie-Rie. "Political Cynicism in South Korea: Economics or Values?." Asian Affairs: An American Review 29.1 (2008): 43. Academic Search Premier. EBSCO. Web. 26 Oct. 2011.

I didn't say that the South Koreans hated the U.S. in general. As a matter of fact, I stipulated that it was the U.S. government that they hated.

And everything else you gave was circumstancial and proves nothing. One man in the West saying otherwise does not nigate the fact that Korea is more tied with China than the U.S.

Btw: I forgot to stipulate this before, but when I say China I mean the Chinese people, not the government.

I really cannot believe you, Imperial. Your nationalism blinds you so utterly that not even facts or empiricism can dissuade you from your baseless fantasies.

Kenya likes us more then us?

Da' Fuck?

That was badass Kali!!!!!

I'm a British nationalist, so I am a non biased party. And I have to agree with Imperial. Any sort of United Korea would have to be on good relations with the GIANT MEGA country just sitting right next to them...

I don't know if united Korea would go for China or the US. I just think they'll have relations with both countries. Trading with China a government with US.

I don't think U.Korea would unite with Japan knowing that Japan invaded Korea and held onto their land for a long time. Neither will they unite with China since they are different cultures. Similar, but different.
I hope the "One China" thing doesn't happen to the Koreans as it did to the Tibetans.

Obviously they won't "unite" with anyone. But considering their proximity to China, I believe when China becomes a world superpower, Japan and Korea will come under their sphere of influence, as well as mongolia and some other nations.

No, you just cannot see the fine line that I walk. You call me a 'blind nationalist', but I'm just not seeing it. That is probably because you refuse to acknoledge where I am clearly more moderate than you assume. I, from time to time, even agree with your statements. Is that the mark of a nationalist; a 'blind nationalist'? I think that, parhaps, you are confusing my level of nationalism with Che's. I cannot see why you would, but I get the feeling that you are.

China's influence on Japan and Korea has waxed and waned in the past, no matter if it was a superpower or not. Its not that they are new to Chinese influences.

To be a superpower today one of the requirements is actually to have most nations around and near you either taken over by you ore in your sphere of influence.

I actually was refering more to a cultural sphere of influence.

Ah, I find it hard to distinguish between the different Asian cultures, but that is probably because I do not live their. Just like it is probably hard for Chinese to distinguish between Western culture. In any case, I digress. I think if a nation's culture is pretty much the same as another's, they will have a similar government if they both care about their culture. I believe that culture is very similar to government type. For instance, in America, our culture is one of Christian values and is created from cultures across the world. This is reflected in our government's domestic policies and Immigration policies (which I admit are not the best at the moment).

Mongolia is a hopelessly useless nation that not even China would bother with. It just isnt worth the world condemning them over a small country that's main export is livestock and agriculture. While China may want to get its hands on it's barely exploited mineral deposits they still wouldnt go through the trouble of making them into puppets when they can get that through business negotiations. We have far to much control over Japan and Korea for anyone to consider Chinese domination a possibility. With extensive political, economical, and regional interests in both that if China attempted to even make a move on them within the next 20-30 years the US and NATO/UN would whipe the floor with that shithole.

I hardly think with the economic crisis in our own country, we will care about Korea at all, as long as isn't outright invaded/annexed. Japan coming under there sphere of influence may provoke us, but not enough to "wipe the floor with that shithole."

You think China taking control of Korea or Japan isnt enough to provoke action? We have EXTENSIVE economical interests in both those countries. The fact that we are in an economical crisis alone is enough of a reason for us to lash out against them. We cant afford the blow of losing either of them and considering the fact we have bases in both countries they may as well be invading our own soil.

I also hate how people consider China a super-power already. They wont have the ability to challenge us for 20 years at best. Because thats when their soviet era midgit Navy/Airforce gets up to speed with the rest of us. Until that day comes we would completely whipe the floor with them.