Who is your Favourite Roman Emperor?

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  1. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I would have to say Marcus Aurelius, Hadrian, and Trajan. An interesting thing I learned about Marcus Aurelius is, one of his goals was to expand the empire in one place (I believe it was Dacia not sure) to a more easily defensible border, but was constantly set back by barbarian incursions into the empire. Then he died before he had the time to accomplish his goal. I wonder what would have happened if he did expand Rome's frontiers to more easily defensable positions.
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    Julius caesar can not in anyway be called a mass murderer. You can not apply todays moral standards and rules to something that happened 2000 years ago. He was playing by a totally different rulebook, and came from a culture that was vastly different from any of ours.
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    And most of his "murdering" was killing Gallic Inserections.
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    He was a mass murderer no matter what were the morals or rules of the time.
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    He was a mass murderer by today's standards.
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    Yeah because genocide was all in days work back at the time.
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    No he was not, almost all of the poeple he "killed", where gallic warriors fighting in battle. This is not murder, this is war. Did inncents die, sure in what war has that not happened. But he did not go around rounding up children and slaughtering them on mass. Once again you can't judge him with our set of morals when he was living by a totally different set.
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    "What school boy, or girl, has not heard of Julius Caesar. This general is continually referred to as one of the greatest of the romans. People talk about the "Murder" of Caesar on the Ides of March as if it were a great crime. His account of his campaigns in Gaul is standard learning in any latin language class in the world. It is considered to be one of "the Greats" of Roman Literature. In military academies the tactics of Caesar are studied, almost as if they were military "Holy Writ".

    The overall impression that is given out about Julius Caesar today is that he was one of the greatest figures from history. The fact that he was responsible for mass murder of over a million people scarcely gets a mention. In Gaul it is estimated that one million persons died in the wars and another million was sold into slavery, draining Gaul of approximately one third of the entire population. Caesar had effected an unprecedented genocide (in modern terms we would talk about war crimes, genocide and crimes against the humanity), all in the name of honour and glory. A large number of women and children can be counted in this number. If a Gallic tribe did not surrender, or rebelled against the hated roman rule, the great Caesar would order that the entire tribe be eradicated. You will not find statues or portraits of Hitler in honoured positions in our homes, but you will of this maniac. Slobadan Milosevic was brought to trial for ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, (rightly so). Julius Caesar,(the original ethnic cleanser) gets an honoured place over the mantlepiece. Why?"

    Also part where you say he did not slaughter children is plain simply wrong. And yes I can judge this asshole, oh look I just did.
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    I hope military tactics are considered military.

    Most of them were killed in war.
    Due to war.
    Are you seriously gonna use slavery as an argument against Julius Caesar? I mean come on. You cant judge him by modern standards on slavery.
    Well no shit, this was common practice among the Romans.
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    No shit Sherlock! Next thing you will tell me is that birds fly?!

    Thus he is a mass murderer.


    No matter how you try to justify his actions, he is a mass murderer nothing else.
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    Sure he's a mass murderer just like everyone else. That's humanity for you.
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    Just to be clear, I [IMG] few last posts. Caesar is a mass murderer by today's standards and a horrible horrible human being. How ever as it was mentioned, it was different time back then.
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    People die in war. Killing people in war does not make you a mass murderer.


    By TODAY"S standards. Stop judging people by the standards of today.
    ^look above.
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    Well, for one, you guys seem to be obsessed with Josef Stalin, you know, the #1 mass murderer. I doubt that you can just dismiss all of his immense accomplishments based on the fact that he was a mass murderer.
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    PS. Slaughtering civilians on mass is being a mass murderer
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    No just no. Yes people died by his hand, yes he sold people into slavery, but guess what that was the norm back then. It was universially excepted that if you conquered your enemies, you where allowed to takes slaves, the guals themselves did the same thing, so no you can't not judge him for that for doing what was considered normal and fair. As for him killing a million people, once again this was war, the vast majority of the deaths where gallic warriors in battle, while women and children did die in his campaign, he never went out of his way to slughter them, unlike someone like hitler. And yes conquest was considered to be honorable and filled with glory. The romans believed that, the gauls believed that, pretty much everyone back then viewed it as such. He cannot be compared to people like Hitler and Slobadan Milosevic because they just killed civilians, defensless innocents, while most of the people caesar killed where warriors in battle, can you not see a difference between this? If you judge caesar by these standards, then you must judge every successful general a history to be a mass murderer.
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    I'm going to take yer sammitch, Carl!
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    ha funny. By the way, weren't you the guy who was defending the soviets and their rapefest to germany in ww2, in the Greates military leader thread I believe?
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    I don't think so, no.
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    I believe he said the Germans had it coming.

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