Who really won the Cold War?

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  1. Avarus New Member

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    I believe that if the United States was invaded then a revolt would happen. Maybe it's just because you see a lot of movies and books describe the courageous spirit of Americans to rise up against the foreign occupants. Even if they did take all the guns away from the citizens, I would believe that at some point people would rebel. On ideology, do you believe that communism had a point and could have outperformed the US?
  2. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    A revolt would indeed take place, which is why the the conquers must take away anything that could result in more deaths for them (I.E Guns) But without military backing a revolution will almost never win (as such to why the Libyan revolution and Egyptian revolution did so well in compassion to the Syrian or Yemen revolution) and yes i do agree that communism has a point; but sadly it would never beat the united states (but the united states could have been communist at the time and the soviets capitalist)
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    (first series of intelligent posts on forum complete)
    I plan to make my reign longer than 50 posts, but maybe your right. I tend to quit things unless I have friends (such as xbox live)
  4. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    there was someone who joined the forums a while back and i thought it would be interesting to see a Chinese Maoist view on things, but they have been gone for a while.

    It seems like we have a handful of regulars, and some randoms who come in here say one or two words and leave, which sucks because they propley have a lot of good ideas.
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    Well yeah, but Russians wanted political freedom and others independence. They got that. Sadly capitalist dream turned into a night mare for a second, but if you look Russia now they are doing quite well: 0-2% are living in total poverty (like all western countries) and 13% are living under poverty line (USA 15%) also middle class has gone up over 700% between 2000-2008. It is looking rather good after all...
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    America would be impossible to conquer. Simple as that. You could break that spirit, and send them packing, but you could never occupy the continental United States. If you tried, you would lose insane amounts of men.
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    Unless there is no resistance
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    Assuming that it was America in today's form, there would be more resistance than you could ever hope to repress.
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    Unless you nuke the shit out them...
  10. Lighthouse Well-Known Member

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    Well I doubt the American Resistance would very well organized. It would be like Gurrela Warfare so the highest amount of them being in an area would be apx. 100- 175.
  11. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    No country at present time or even during the cold war could have beat the full blunt of the u.s military, let alone land on the united states. Nuke them........well we will nuke back.
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    USSR could have had up to 70s
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    It would require them to get a vast number of troops over two vast oceans without being caught, pretty unlikely.
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    Or they could have steam rolled over Europe....
  15. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Speaking of they almost could have right after the second world war, it scared the Europeans so much it forced Churchill to come up with operation: Unthinkable.

    But hey the french and British had nukes as well.
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    One of the few things I dislike Churchill. Anyway... They could not have used nukes, for they had to be dropped from a plane. That wont happen, because USSR had superior airforce at that time. And even if they could slip a plane trough they wont drop a nuke on their allies city. If you want to go to USSR your plane cant go alone thus it will be shot down quickly, and if you escort it, it wont go undetected. And you probably cant even reach border of USSR anyway, due to fuel consumption. If you want to go on kamikaze attack you might reach Kiev, but wont have any fuel to fly back...

    So yeah I think nukes are out of question (Speaking of very shortly post WW2 period)
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    True, however the question is could the allies airforce had stopped the soviet union from ever using nukes and how long would they prevent the soviet union from taking over all of Europe (I give it a year) Next would the united states get into war as well, as to to what would the Chinese do?
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    Well French had good relations with USSR so assuming USSR has only to take other half of Germany & Italy a year maybe 1½ would be good estimate (depending of allied resistance ofc.)

    Chinese are still having sexy time killing each other, so they are not doing anything.

    After Allied forces are out of Europe it is like WW1 all over again. USSR gets exterminated in the sea, Allies when ever trying to invade continental Europe.
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    The communists may have one the Vietnam War, but the Vietnam War didn't determine the outcome of the cold war, the fall of Communism in Russia did. It was a war of who could outlast the other and Capitalist America clearly outlasted the Soviet Russia.
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    The soviet union would have won... but then it took an arrow to the knee.

    On topic
    America outlasted the soviets and thats it, not even Che could twist it in a way were the soviets won the cold war. The soviets did have the capability of winning the cold war but they didn't simple as that.

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