Why did the Middle East decline?

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  1. darthdj31 City States Map Director

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    http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F70E15FC3C5E1A738DDDA80A94DA405B8684F0D3
    It talks about the Moors using cannons in the 1100-1200's.

    http://www.thepirateking.com/historical/cannon_gunpowder_comes_to_europe.htm
    The site won't let me copy, but it talks about Moorish use of gunpowder against Spain... in 1118.
    darthdj31, Apr 23, 2012
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    Strange world huh
    darthdj31, Apr 23, 2012
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    I wouldn't blame Islam. Islam had nothing to do with this. The main reason for this was sectarianism and intervention of clergy in matters of state, policies, science.. etc. During the Islamic Golden Age ( 620 CE - 690 CE, note that I don't include the Umayyads, who just raided Byzantine libraries for knowledge) true Islamic policies were followed based off the Quran. Yet, the hadiths were the main problem and were extremely conservative scriptures written many years after Muhammad. Caliph Umar had even burnt these in order to get rid of their influence on the Islamic world. However, years later, hadiths were again followed and ultimately lead to a anti-knowledge, conservative, and radical view on the world. The Islamic Empires still conquered land due to their complete devotion to land armies, but as centuries passed the muslims lagged behind in technology eventually being beaten in years to come. Hence, the middle east is like it is today. Sorry for my horrible grammar, but I really had to write this quickly. In summary; sectarianism, reliance on hadiths, and ultraconservative clergy lead to the downfall of "Islamic" nations.
    Aleem Tariq, Jun 18, 2012
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    Shisno, Jun 19, 2012
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    SO essentially, its not Islam, but its Islam.
    slydessertfox, Jun 19, 2012
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    Hahaha, good twist. It's not Islam, but its the interpretation of Hadith, which are BS scripts that are not part of Islam. Islamic theology is this: Belief in 1 god, and you "reap what you sow" ( no such thing as fate).

    THATS IT!!!
    Islam is the Quran, not the hadiths, or practices of Muhammad.
    Aleem Tariq, Jun 19, 2012
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    so its just like the Christian catholics versus the protestants? I think I get it.
    yuri2045, Jun 19, 2012
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    Like the Shia vs. the Sunni also.
    darthdj31, Jun 19, 2012
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  11. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    But I thought they were friends, this is like shocking news to me lol.

    Next your going to say Iran and Saudi Arabia don't get along.
    Viking Socrates, Jun 19, 2012
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    Dude they are best friends.
    Better than North and South Korea.
    darthdj31, Jun 19, 2012
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    They don't get along at all.... in fact, Saudi arabia told US to cut the head of the Persian Snake... or the other way around.
    Aleem Tariq, Jun 19, 2012
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    Yeah I was being sarcastic, I tend to do that alot.
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    Soz, I didn't see to what message you replied... looked like you derped for a second.
    Aleem Tariq, Jun 20, 2012
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  16. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Don't worry. Sarcasm is quite hard to detect in writing, it requires a lot of context :p

    So Islam isn't at fault, its the people that are wrongly interpreting Islam?
    General Mosh, Jun 20, 2012
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    I thought they were always behind us, because they are either fighting each other, or simply just don't have the resources or the capability on trending with the other nations.
    JerBear, Jul 9, 2012
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    Well you would be wrong about the first part. For quite some time the middle east was united under the Ottomans.
    General Mosh, Jul 10, 2012
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    Read my previous comment, and go read the books i'm citing.. the reason is in those.
    Aleem Tariq, Jul 10, 2012
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    For quite a bit of history the Middle East has been the only civilized prescence in the mediterranean.
    Skyicewolf, Jul 10, 2012
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