Worlds next super powers?

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  1. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    So before discussion please read this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_superpowers

    Ok so what do you think?

    I think that EU (If taken as something like US) will be/is worlds super power, due to their unbeatable economy and wealth (+ culture???)

    US and China will be walking hand in hand for next (10?) years and honestly can predict witch one will rise superior over other, but how ever US has far superior military (on papers worlds best) and wealth of average people.

    Russia has relativly small economy, but has grown rapidly in early 2000's up to this date. So they are not going anywhere, but aint reaching top anytime soon.

    India will have bigger population, but they have things even worse than chinese have so india no way

    Brazil is barely a great power, so no.
  2. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    I'd say that the US and the EU will hold on for a while, though most likely the EU will eventually collapse and the US will lose some power but probably still remain major. As for Brazil, it could if the circumstances are right, and could become a superpower. China is on its way, if it doesn't fall apart. I really can't tell because there are so many possiblities.
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    If individual European cultures can give up their natural identities then I think we can see a multipolar system like we had in Europe after the Napoleonic wars. For over 100 years we had a system where France, Germany, England and Russia fought for the status quo - basically that neither of the others would be to powerful.

    Europe has shown that she's willing to discard some aspects of her national identity, but on the whole they still identify more with their nation state then with the community. So do I think we're anywhere near this multipolar system? Not really, but as I've stated in other threads I don't really think China is anywhere near superpower status now either.
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    If EU collapses that would probably be bechose of failing of euro. For EU has increased its zones wealth (trade) and peace. EU is fairly fragile right now, but no where near collapsing. Would EU get its own military -asside the members own armies- I would consider this as zone as country or something like that. If EU falls there is a long way to that day.

    US isnt eighter going anywhere. The only problem they have is with their debth- witch china for the large part owns. Now honestly I dont know what happens if they cant pay their debth. I doubth China will take over. One day will have to pay it back...

    In the end there is so many posibilities of out come that its nearly impossible to see who will triumph as supreme. In my books within 21st ceuntry US, EU & China are defenetly the strongest.
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    I think the superpowers of the future are USA, China, the EU, and India.

    Brazil will most likely just be a regional superpower and I don't think Russia will regain its superpower status, but it still does have a lot of nuclear weapons.
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    I do wonder where Japan has gotten to; theor economy is pretty impressive. Russia (or China) and the US will be pretty much on the level in about 40 or 50 years. Russia has this new thing of "wealthy Russians", the kind that don't choose anything below 2000 Euros, but they are small in number.

    The US is looking to crack at any moment. Sure, the predictions are bright, but for some reason Im thinking they wanna start another war somewhere. And with their economy in the toilet, the next few years'll be interesting.

    China has suddenly risen to the top three. However, it pretty much stays out of any political sh*tstorms (except for the Korea situation), but they still have the guns and the manpower.

    The EU's a funny thing... With Angela Merkel and her anti "Multi-Kulti-" I do wonder how things turn out. The EU also isn't a country, so it's just flailing with problems. With Sarkozy and Berlusconi two of the least liked politicians, Angela Merkel being a popular subject... things'll get interesting.

    Brazil, India - WTF? India will grow into a stronger economical power, but... certainly not great power, let alone superpower.
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    Also, remember the military aspect of being a superpower. You got to think, who has the military power to conquer the world (well not conquer the world but u know wut i mean) at this moment it is the US, but China is going to surpass them soon in all around aspects the US will still have better military) Brazil will just be a Western Hemisphere Superpower, and there is too much poverty in India for it to rise to superpower status. Also, the European Union will not become a superpower becuz it is a collection of countries, and will fall aprt in the long run (or very long run lol)
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    Why do you say that? There isn't a single American political figure advocating another war. Half of them are trying to get us out of Afghan.
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    I think unless America gets it act together China will pass it as a superpower in 15 to 30 years. China will hold that place for a while but inevitably loose it to someone else after a couple of generations. I'm not sure who that "someone else" would be.
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    That sums up my response pretty well. And After USA Russia has strongest military although very hand in hand against chinas. But would eighter one of us be right military is just one aspect in nation.
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    Phrased myself wrong. If tensions escalate between North Korea and the US, I doubt the US will not back off from any provocations. Though I am ill-informed on the subject so I might be wrong (don't know of any recent developements...).

    This is all more or less pulled out of thin air... (I wrote those first lines late at night, when at 5% efficienty).
  12. Byzantium's Revenge Well-Known Member

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    As a European, I hope that never happens.
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    Interesting, why?
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    Because it would be a dictatorship.

    The EU government consists of three bodies, the Commission, the Council and the Parliament. The Council consists of all the state leaders, with one elected as overall President by other members of the Council.

    The Commission is a body of representatives chosen by the Council.

    Finally, Parliament consists of the democratically elected MEPs chosen by the EU populace. It is the only body which is directly elected by the people and wields the least amount of power of all three bodies.

    Only the Commission can propose legislation, and normally it requires the approval of the Council for it to pass. The most parliament can do is block bills for them to be amended by a committee.

    In certain cases, legislation can be passed without even involving Parliament at all. Sometimes it doesn't even require the Council's approval.

    Now with the Treaty of Lisbon, the Commission has been given further powers at the expense of Parliament.

    It's all terribly complicated; the EU is a horrendous bureaucratic mess.

    I don't really believe the EU will become a superpower; it's trying to model itself as another United States.

    But the United States doesn't have over 50 national languages, and unike many in Europe, the population are generally happy to be part of the union.

    The EU should have stuck to being a trading alliance.
  15. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    Fair enought
  16. lukakiwi Well-Known Member

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    OMG you just sumed up my views of the EU (especialy the last line), i very much dislike it
    and im a european myself
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    "Speak softly and carry a big sick, you will go far". Military prowess is a major part of a superpower. If your staring down at a flush draw it always helps to a have a couple bullets in your hand. If the united states didnt have supremacy in the war department we would have been invaded long ago.

    Now on the matter of NKorea I highly dought the US would do anything militarily without China's consent. Reason being I think something would erupt much like the russain afgahn war ,and vietnam with one country (China) backing the Koreans (with financial aid, and covert military aid) much like the american's did for the afghans, and the russians with the vietnamese. That road would only get America backed into a corner that would favor Chinese interests be it trading favors,or what have you.

    Now for the EU I believe that their ideals should be something the whole world needs to consider. Unifying under a single currency ,and trade agreement might lead to a world nation instead of a world of nations.Dought any one would ever see that in a very very very very long time.

    However I don't see any of the major players dying out anytime soon. More than likely there will be some new kids on the block ,and some old faces coming back into the field of play aka Russia. Can't really tell no one can for the matter. Time has that luxury.
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    Why on earth would USA get invaded? Wouldnt they stuck their noses in Russian civil war, there wouldnt be cold war. Wouldnt you be world police, there wouldnt be Vitenam war, Korean war etc. Sure you have to have military, but you guys are overspending on it, and then wonder why you are so much in debth.

    Seriosly, get some perspective
  19. lukakiwi Well-Known Member

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    Good england mate. i mean, who is 'you'? and i didnt understand what you just said, i guess english isnt your native language.
  20. Eza08 Well-Known Member

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    Seriously dude my Russian, German ,Dutch or whatever isn't 00000000.1% good as these guy's are at English, so atleast they can string sentences together.... I hope the beginning part of your sentence was sarcasm..

    Anyway back on topic I think its a tie between the US and China, however once China's economy overtakes the US, they may spend freely as have the US on their military. They can upgrade their military into a technological beast with enough funding. This means all that IC and manpower they possess may mean in the next 50 years China will become the dominant superpower. Their only weakness will be raw material/energy procurement. For Russia they have started to upgrade their outdated military but i think it's too late. The only danger they have is that they control thousands of nukes. For the EU i cannot understand why it could not have stayed as a trading alliance, however if you want to rank them economicaly they are very strong.Iinfact they could fight for position with China in 20 years time for top spot as the richest economy in the world.

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