Your views on Kosovo

Lets talk about Kosovo, I want to know what your opinions on that whole situation are as i would like to see what english speaking people think about it?

Please no overly biased or radical comments, only open minded and reasonable people which wont be stuborn and hard headed.

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Sorry but I am ignorant on the subject. Sound familiar but nothing is coming to mind. Could you be specific or give me info on what you are talking about?

Kosovo is independent, and for good reason. Ethnic and religious tensions in the Balkans have always been relatively high. It seems like the only solution is to grant as much autonomy as possible to the dominant ethnic group in each region. Even then, we are still going to see conflicts flare up over the fragmented resources. Hopefully the more stable regional players like Croatia can hold the situation together long enough for people to get over it.

Kosovonians are actully a Albanian. Kosovo was for the long period of time part of Serbia with Albanian majority. Then in 2000 and something they declare them self independent from Serbia.
I am Croat who lives in Croatia and i think that every nation who wants to bee independent should get independence. As my county did in 90s. Kosovo is actually youngest state on the Earth.

I think Kosovo belongs to Serbia. 'Course that's my pan-slavic side. "Citizens" of Kosovo are mostly... *are* Albanian and last time I checked, Albania is already an independant state.

There's also this rivalry Serbs and Albanians have - and I can understand why. I live in a place, where the Albanian population is pretty high. As much as I hate to generalize, these are violent, non-reasonable people, who'd stab and steal rather than talk. This is not so much from expirience as from the news articles, where you can read "Another drug smugglers of Albanian descent has been caught....".

first of all, please dont be offended, but i think your nutshell is missing a few factors:

the ethnic clensing wasnt only done by the Serbs but also by Kosovars towards Serbs to the same and equal amount. The KLA (the Kosovars army) wasnt so innocent as people believe, in fact, one of their leaders owned the largest Whorehouse in Europe, also the new Kosovo nation is the largest importer of heroin in Europe. You also failed to state NATO built a military base in Kosovo (illegaly) to help them gain independance which Just happens to be almost on top of the Pan-Balkan oil pipe. As commonly said, there is no black and white.

As far as Just War doctrine goes, it was about as black and white as you get. Genocide is the almost universally agreed upon call to arms for civilized nations, and whether or not an invader benefits incidentally as a result of the war is entirely amoral. Common standards for Just War doctrine regarding intervention are that 1) a specific group is being persecuted by the government of a nation/the government of a nation is incapable of stopping the persecution, 2) this persecution be genocidal either in practice or in goal, and 3) that there is a definite way to resolve the matter and exit the nation after the persecution is stopped. Clearly the Balkan situation was justified.

Here are some useful lectures onKosovo from different view:

(this one dosent get onto Kosovo for about 10 min)

(Part 1, other 3 parts are next to vid)

one Albanian from Kosovo is a Kosovar, so plural is Kosovars, a general from Kosovo would be a Kosovar general.

well my view on Kosovo is emmm.... well it's good for them that they got independed, beacuse they were kinda opressed and sometimes shown as a lower class in Serbia. On the other hand is bad for Serbs, because Kosovo was one of the two regions that keep Serbia on the feet. Other region is Vojvodina. So if the Vojvodina declares independence the Serbia will be so poor like some third country somwhere in unknown place.

thats totally true. I think that in this moment Serbs are scared that Vojvodina could also decleare independenc.

sure they are, if the vojvodina goes away from serbia they will lose lots and lots of income and in the end it is possible that serbia can go bankrupt

if Vojvodina declears indenpendenc Serbia will attack them. Because they cant without them.

Your views on Kosovo and vaginas

Bah, we need less states not more.

maybee you think that but Serbian radicals dont share your view on it

yes probably they would do it but they will not, because they are afraid. Te Serbia is the last country on the Balkans that is under some influence by Russia and some of the folks there are still really communistic. But other countries around it ( Bosnia, Montenegro, Croatia) don't like it and they are under influence of Italy and well USA. So Serbia will be very foolish to attack Vojvodin if the Vojvodina state independence. The Serbs will need a BIG ally behind them if they would want attack Vojvodina after it's independence. An yes you are absolutely right. The Serbia will go bankrupt if the Vojvodina goes independent, because their economy will fall really balls deep. . I hope it's clear now. The Vojvodina will may be independent one day but Serbia in current state and standings in nations all across the world wouldn't do anything serious. But we will see, we will see....

Croatia isnt really under Italian influnce. It is more under german, eu and usa influence. Italia lost influence in Croatia after WW2. Montenegro is under Italian influence but Croatia isnt.
And yes, Serbia will need strong ally to attack Vojvodina. But than EU and USA will bee involved over Croatia and Hungary.

yeah i gues you are right at one point but let me tell you something. I'm from Slovenia and i have nothing against Croatia and other Balkan countries (you know the conflict between Slovenia and Croatia and immigration problem and that silly stuff) well you know about the independence wars in 90's. Well Slovenia wanted to get independed, but YNA ( Yugoslovanian National Army ) attacked Slovenia. Well the forces of YNA where stronger, but after the time they move out of Slovenian territory because they were afraid of Germany. And the other thing is Yugoslavia ( mostly Croatia and Serbia) started negotiations with Italy to prepare camps for Slovenian war immigrants (there wasn't any). So from that I came to conclusion that they must be under influence of Italy, but maybe I'm wrong because they told the soldiers of YNA that Italy attacked Slovenia otherwise the soldiers wouldn't fight. So I think that Italy must have some influence on politics in Croatia, but no influence on people. I hope I'm right somehow. :roll: