vegetarian revolution, will it ever really happen?

Not sure about that, there are probably different reports claiming either that they do or don't.

How so? And what natural selection argument, for that matter?

But you have to remember that it isn't the nature that has made chickens to be what they are now, but men.
So I don't think that chickens (the far bred ones) could survive in the natural habitat of their ancestors.

if people want to vegetarian or vegan, they can do it without bothering people who arent.
meat is a better source of energy than plants and vegetables anyway.

Like the evil major said, modern chickens, cows and other farm animals are only the way they are because of humans. I know corn is a plant, but corn can not grow without the help of humans now. Maize used to grow everywhere...

That one where you all go 'man is meant to eat meat 'cos we're at the top of the food chain' or 'animals eat each other because they can' or something.

Well there you go; we've created several races of unnatural useless creatures that wouldn't last a day in the wild. There's got to be something wrong with that.

Well if they won't last a day in the real world, than what's the harm eating them?

But they are not useless! 'cause we use them as food thus giving them a divine purpose in this world.
And how would plants you eat be any different? (as sly stated)

Can't say I've ever heard or used that argument.

If they were useless they wouldn't exist. While animals nowadays seem to depend on humans (whether they're "natural" or not hardly matters), if humans ever go extinct and all other life survives, in the end these species will probably survive. Not that humans would go extinct and all other life wouldn't. The thing is though that if a revolution like this were to succeed, you're stuck with masses of animals that have completely lost their use. What do you do with them, then?

D'oh, I meant survival of the fittest not natural selection. There's nothing fit in a cattle ranch.

Well that's my point, you carnivores shouldn't have bred so many bloody cows! Anyway, i'm not some hippie/vegan who's against exploitation of anything. What we'll have then is a whole lot of milk. Everyone loves cheese, right?

Maybe they (plants and animals) like living for the sake of it? Personally, i'd prefer to see a field of crops than wall to wall cattle. Smells better too. Note the word 'personally' - we ain't gonna agree here and could probably go on about the merits of meat and other foods for ever. At least it's not some nonsense 'forum politics' though, right?

So are you a lacto-ovo vegetarist, pesco vegetarist or what?

Omnivores.

But just to make it clear, you don't eat meat because you think that animals are disgusting or something?

Right...I still don't get it.

Carnivore would mean I solely eat meat, which I don't. Humans are omnivores.

Plants are incapable of emotion, and therefore can't "like" living for the sake of it.

I'd say this is purely subjective, but I don't think there's someone who actually likes the smell of cattle.

Pretty much, yeah.

Can I really not make a joke like that on this site? I thought carnivore was used as a derogatory term for meat-eating humans.
I'm also disappointed that I am seen as someone who's seriously considered to have never heard of the word omnivore.

I like to think I have the simplest reasons for not eating it, ie- it's vaguely sentient. That's also the best way to define 'vegetarian' in my opinion; I don't get how people can say fish doesn't count as meat.

Sarcasm travels very badly over the internet, and while I generally hold this site to a higher standard, I automatically assume the worst on the internet.

Then I don't see why you'd be vegetarian instead of vegan, though.

I guess i'm just happy to eat products from an animal, but not the animal itself. Maybe I see it the same way you might see cannibalism? In the sense of feeling that it's somehow wrong I mean - i'm not likening eating meat to cannibalism, that's a shitty-looking road to go down I reckon. Wait, why do any of you give a shit? This debate isn't about me lol.

I suppose that makes sense.

Like I said, corn can only grow with the help of humans now.

@Achtung Kommunisten!
So you're a lacto-ovo vegetarist and you don't eat meat because of ethic reasons?

I guess so. The most common kind really.

Maybe that's why Western civilisation was built on wheat rather than corn. Poor native Americans; their staple food is rarely seen outside the cinema. And when it is, I bet a lot of people would mistake it for some kind of vegetable.

Ok so here comes the sweet part:
What makes you think that eating plants is ethically acceptable?

(Also I'll be going to bed now, good niiiiiight!)

Nothing, they're just easier to kill and have less horrible-looking guts. If was a really ethical person, i'd be a vegan (and still have to answer that question). It's all just a life choice really, isn't it?